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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/06/09 06:15:54
1,689 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Jo:I'd thought about extending the metaphor to include a literal music staff but everything I tried to do was more difficult to use than the spider graphs. I am still open to the idea but what is important is that whatever the visual form is:1) It's easy to grasp - and quickly2) It's easy to compare - meaningfully - with other chocolate graphsIt's a fun challenge.:: Clay
holycacao
@holycacao
11/05/09 09:35:12
38 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

What about musical staff notation? A "measure" is a period of time. Each line on the staff could represent different "notes" of flavor. Intensity for each flavor could be color coded. The notes could be standardized ( a la TCHO) or the chocolate maker would give their "tasting notes" as they perceive them. Depending on the complexity of the chocolate, there could be one measure, or there could be a symphony. Each time a "flavor note" emerges, the note on the staff would appear with the corresponding color for the intensity of that flavor.The best chocolates would probably have a score, where each instrument has it's own staff for the complex flavor notes.Unfortunately if most of the world does not know how to listen a symphony, they probably couldn't read the sheet music.I'm reminded of a line out the movie "White man can't jump". I'm not going to quote it exactly but it was something to the effect of : you can listen to Jimi (i.e. Hendrix), but you can't HEAR Jimi.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
11/05/09 08:40:49
1,689 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Evert-Jan:This discussion is always open. I haven't spent much more time writing about it because I still haven't figured out how to visualize things properly and (good, clear) pictures are helpful when trying to explain abstract concepts.The music analogy I was referring to is ADSR - Attack Decay Sustain Release - as I mention in an earlier reply. Some more detail:Attack: How quickly does the chocolate flavor develop?Decay: How quickly does it fall off?Sustain: Once the flavor decays, what happens?Release: How does the long aftertaste develop?If you try to graph this there the horizontal axis it time, you end up with a curve that displays the way the flavor changes over time in the mouth. Because some chocolates are aromatic and bright and others are earthy, I would start the curve on different places on the vertical axis to try to represent that aspect.This is inexact which is why I am still working on it.
Evert-Jan De Kort (Choqoa.com)
@Evert-Jan De Kort (Choqoa.com)
11/04/09 16:32:29
11 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

hi Clay, Olorinis this interesting idea of new ways to talk on chocolate still running?any outcomes to share / further collaborate on ?cheersEvert-Jan
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
05/08/08 09:10:04
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I've found the taste wheels to be useful, but they do have limitations. To me, the biggest benefit is the breakdown into the broad family/category and then the specific taste descriptions. If I can start with the category that helps me narrow down what the specific taste might be. One limitation of these wheels, though, is that the categories are somewhat arbitrarily named and don't match from wheel to wheel. I also find it hard to have to read around a circle. Also, some wheels have descriptors that others lack. It was easier for me to compile these from several wheels into one list. Looking at a list of words grouped by categories is easier for me to use. I've attached my list. I've also attached a file with a few tasting wheels, if those work well for you.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
05/08/08 08:55:04
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

On Chloe Chocolat there is her tasting guide , which is a pdf excerpt from her book. You can save this as a pdf file for yourself, so that's the download part.If you scroll down you'll find her version of a tasting wheel. I find it most useful how these wheels are grouped by "Aroma families" and then the specific aromas within that.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/07/08 10:37:53
1,689 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Much as I respect Chloe's ability to taste, I don't think it's possible to credit her with the invention of the various taste wheels used in chocolate. At a minimum, they are borrowed from wine. Chloe must have taken the concept and created her own version of it for her book.Curious - who is "we?" And, can you please post links to the site and to the download link so that other members can do the same?Thanks,:: Clay
Andrea2
@Andrea2
05/07/08 10:07:22
2 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I thought the "taste wheel" came from Chole Doutre-Roussel's web site and/or recent publication. I'd have to hunt a bit for it; but I'd suggest visiting her sight and/or downloading an excerpt of her new book. As I recall, that is how we came accross this helpful wheel w/ terminology.AO
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/05/08 07:08:34
1,689 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Sabrina:I suppose the graphs could be standardized but that would require agreement among manufacturers, who won't do it unless they see a real value.I think the underlying answer is one you hint at ... which is that no one representation works best for everyone. People have very different ways of processing information and find some formats naturally easier to interpret than others.What I want to do is avoid the need for multiple graphs - which may be impossible. There are a number of ways to express the information and the spider graphs use only one (a 2D plane). I don't think that going to 3D is the right way to do this, but the width of a bar or line could mean something as could a change in color and the position (for example) of the horizontal axis on the vertical one.The tongue-view is interesting but, you're right, it's too personal. A supertaster would draw a very different map from someone with very few taste buds. I don't know that the Sousa vs NIN comparison is the right one but I do think it's in the right direction. A chocolate could be "symphonic" meaning that it had a lot of complexity in taste, texture, attack, and release. We could use that term without saying what kind of symphony it was. (e.g., a romantic composer like Rachmaninoff has a different overall feel from a modern composer like Stravinsky). We could compare that with a chamber orchestra or a duet or a solo - or rock with folk. That might work.Whatever it ends up being, I don't think it will be "it." It will be more than one.
Jonathan Walpole
@Jonathan Walpole
05/04/08 18:37:26
6 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I agree that the spider graphs are too obtuse and inacessable, but I like your idea about drawing on the language of music.I picture a bar of music with the different notes representing the development of flavors, the higher the note, the more intense, the longer the note the longer the flavor lasts.Music is something that is easily recognizable by almost everyone (even if they can't actually read music, which I can't) but still I would be able to hear the chocolate singing.
sabrina hicks
@sabrina hicks
05/01/08 01:26:23
6 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

couldn't the spider graphs be standardized somewhat easily? maybe a few more simple characteristics added on. even milk and dark chocolate could have the same words, potentially. i.e. caramel a 9 for milk, a 4 for a dark, etc...

i like the visual idea of the spider graph. alcohol, bitter, fruity, nutty, coffee, 'chocolatey', caramel, intensity...maybe that's enough? maybe a partnered x/y graph of the when the intensity exists..or what about where the flavor hits on the tongue? a sweet picture of a tongue with different colors might work..or be weird. i know i like the flavor to hit everywhere. some like it better on the tip of the tongue. but maybe the same bar hits different tongues in different places for everyone..

i'm not so sure about the music qualifications--i don't think they work well with me, at least. maybe if it were like "john phillips sousa"--bam! and then soften and go on and on...or "trent reznor"--quiet quiet louder louder LOUDEST EVER quiet quiet....just brainstorming.

ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/29/08 21:14:54
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Thanks. Now I see what you mean. Yes, those aren't very useful and they're useless for comparing two graphs.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/29/08 19:50:36
1,689 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

This is the "spider graph" for Felchlin Maracaibo Clasificado 65%:

This is the spider graph for the Felchlin Criolait 38%:

Notice that even though the two graphs are superficially alike, the axes are different so the two graphs are not directly comparable. Also, when you squint to separate the shape from the lines the shape itself does not tell you anything meaningful.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/29/08 19:22:08
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

QUOTE: "I am really unhappy with the spider graphs that many chocolate manufacturers use"----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Clay,What do you mean by "spider graphs"? Are these the tasting wheels or something else? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/29/08 18:35:39
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Hmmm... bars are cheap, fast, and easy. So with this "sexy" metaphor what does that make truffles?
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/29/08 15:27:23
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

That's fascinating and well worth pondering. I can't say that I follow all the nuances of every point, but the idea of intensity over time should be taken seriously. I wish I knew something about the technical aspects of the composition of symphonies, but i know very little about music. In my limited experience, the Amedei Chuao and Porcelana bars are much like a symphony. They have 3 or 4 movements and a variety of tastes that come in at different times with different intensities. When one fades another builds. Using this symphony metaphor, perhaps one could say that lower quality chocolate is like a symphony with fewer instruments thus there are fewer notes.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/29/08 15:07:31
1,689 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

When I was in the Bay Area in late February to speak at Copia during their chocolate festival, I spent some time with TCHO (the name is properly spelled in all caps) founder Timothy Childs discussing a number of different issues. One of them was their approach to describing flavors in chocolate.

According to Timothy, TCHO plans to not market their chocolates using percentages (or maybe even origins) because they feel that the percentage conveys no meaningful information about either the taste or the quality of the chocolate (I totally agree with them on this point). They are also looking to simplify how flavors are conveyed by concentrating on a relatively small number of tastes and focusing on the dominant note. Their first bar, made from Ghanain beans is labeled simply "chocolatey." In part, this recognizes that the vast majority of chocolate lovers are not super-tasters, so lengthy lists of flavors nuances are neither useful nor helpful.

What I find frustrating about most flavor descriptions is that they tend to ignore the temporal dimension - how the chocolate changes in taste in the mouth over time - and other taste attributes such as intensity. In thinking about this, it occurred to me to look at art forms that have temporal aspects - dance, film, music - to see if there was anything in their vocabulary that might make sense.I found one in music, or more accurately, synthesizers and the concept of Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release (ADSR). This was a pretty cool analogy, I thought. How does the flavor "attack" in the mouth? Does it start off strong and weaken or does it start off quietly and pop with a bang when it warms up? Once the flavor reaches its peak, does it drop off quickly or slowly? How long does the flavor last and how does it change (the short aftertaste)? Finally, how does the flavor clear out of the mouth (the release, or long aftertaste).

I am still looking for a way to visually represent the concept of ADSR as well as another idea that reflects where the chocolate "sits" in the mouth - is it low and earthy and in the bottom of the mouth or light and airy and aromatic and in the nose?

Make sense?

I am really unhappy with the spider graphs that many chocolate manufacturers use because the shapes are meaningless. Any visual system has to be able to provide information that can be comprehended at a glance. It should be possible to tell the differences between two chocolates instantly and you just can't do that with a spider graph. In part this is because there is no standard and every manufacturer orients the axes in a different order and have different layouts for milk and dark chocolates.

Ultimately that's what it's all about - providing an instantly comprehensible visual representation of the flavor profile of a chocolate that also makes it possible to make meaningful comparisons at a glance.


updated by @Clay Gordon: 11/07/15 09:54:24
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/29/08 13:03:05
251 posts

Describing chocolate


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Clay,

I read with great interest on your blog about attempts to find new ways to describe the taste of chocolate that isn't dependent on other food terms. I'm especially curious about what you mean by using music terminology.

To make it easier for others here's what Clay said,

"Develop new ways to talk about flavors in chocolate (that aren't dependent on other foods). Right now, most of the vocabulary of chocolate (and certainly virtually all of the taste vocabulary of chocolate) comes from wine. While this is not bad, I think there has to be some way to talk about flavors in chocolate in more general terms so that more people "get it" without thinking we chocophiles are being snobby. The new chocolate company Tcho, which is currently in "beta" on its first chocolate, has developed a "taste wheel" that lists what they think are the dominant flavor characteristics of one of their chocolates. I think that this is a step in a good direction. My own explorations in this area include trying to adapt terms from music to chocolate and I plan to continue this work for myself and on behalf of my consulting clients in 2008. What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? Share your thoughts in a comment."

Would you elaborate on this concept a little more? Also can you give more details about what Tcho is doing in this area? I couldn't find anything about it on their website.


updated by @ChocoFiles: 04/09/15 11:40:08
Lorna
@Lorna
05/28/08 15:34:40
15 posts

Chocolate Chewing Gum?


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Have you tried the chocolate Bubbly Yum that was out a while ago? Eeew! I couldn't chew it for very long at all.
Susie Norris
@Susie Norris
04/29/08 10:34:13
21 posts

Chocolate Chewing Gum?


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Wow - Mars and Wrigley are merging and forming a HUGE corporate candy company. Maybe they will finally make us some good chocolate chewing gum - Coco-Doublemint? Snickers Gum Yum? Looks like the big incentive is about global reach. Wrigley was valued at $23 billion with established global brands. So bigger is better for worldwide distribution. But if you are an artisan chocolatier or fresh chocolate afficiando, SMALL pieces of hand-made and hand-decorated chocs are still the jewels of chocolate's treasure chest.
updated by @Susie Norris: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Sarah Gross
@Sarah Gross
04/28/08 18:09:56
15 posts

Chocolate Europe- Brussels, Berlin...


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I am going all over Europe this summer. While the schedule is somewhat flexible, there are a few cities that I am definitely hitting: Brussels, Berlin, and Prague. I know the former is a chocophile heaven, but it would be great to know if anyone would recommend a place there in particular or anywhere else in: Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany, or the Czech Republic. Thanks!
updated by @Sarah Gross: 05/05/15 11:23:43
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/26/08 15:41:24
251 posts

Hershey's Bliss- 10,000 House Parties


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Did anybody go to one of these Hershey's Bliss house parties? Although I'm not a big fan of Hershey's one of my life rules is never to pass up free chocolate.Here's the info: You're Invited to Experience Bliss -- The Hershey Company Celebrates the National Debut of Hershey's Bliss(TM) Chocolate by Hosting 10 Thousand Launch Parties Rich, Creamy, Bite-Sized Hershey Bliss Chocolate Debuts in Three Unique ExpressionsHERSHEY, Pa., March 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Tens of thousands of consumers are invited to experience bliss nationwide -- in celebration of the launch of Hershey's Bliss(TM) Chocolate, a new rich, creamy, bite-size chocolate indulgence from The Hershey Company. As part of the April 2008 launch, Hershey's Bliss Chocolate is hosting 10 thousand chocolate parties in homes across America over the weekend of April 25. The bliss-themed launch parties will introduce guests to Hershey's Bliss Chocolate while transporting their senses into a state of bliss with the world's most indulgent chocolate.Available in three unique expressions, Milk Chocolate, Dark Chocolate and Milk Chocolate Meltaway, Hershey's Bliss Chocolate is specially crafted to ensure that every detail contributes to the overall chocolate experience. The slight domed shape of the individual square fits the mouth perfectly allowing the chocolate to melt evenly cascading rich, creamy chocolate notes across the tongue. The finish is satisfying and sophisticated, a lasting reward."The chocolate masters at Hershey created Hershey's Bliss for consumers who appreciate the everyday joys in life," said Michele Buck, Senior Vice President, Global Chief Marketing Officer, The Hershey Company. "Hershey's Bliss Chocolate is meant to celebrate that joy and the Hershey's Bliss Chocolate parties brings this experience to life by encouraging party goers to experience and share everyday bliss with their own friends and family."The weekend of April 25, Hershey's Bliss will be the guest of honor at 10 thousand Hershey's Bliss Chocolate launch parties nationwide. Targeting female chocolate lovers, the parties will celebrate everyday bliss by gathering with friends and family to share personal stories of bliss while sampling Hershey's newest indulgence. To sign up to host a Hershey's Bliss Chocolate Party consumers should visit http://www.houseparty.com/hersheysbliss for more details or to register.Hershey's Bliss Chocolate is now available nationwide in 9.6 oz lay-down packages at grocery, mass and drug stores. Hershey's Bliss chocolate is a delicious reminder that "Bliss is everywhere. You just have to unwrap it.(TM)"You can also find this on the Hershey's website .
updated by @ChocoFiles: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/26/08 14:14:44
1,689 posts

How to create hyperlinks (links to other pages) in posts


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

A number of people have expressed that they are having problems using the hyperlink function to add links to their forum and blog posts and comments.To create a hyperlink:FIRST - select the text that you want to add the link to.SECOND - click on the link icon in the toolbar above the panel where you type in the text of your post or comment. (It's to the left of the image icon and to the right of the strikethrough icon.)THIRD - in the pop-up dialog, enter the fully qualified URL (include the http://) of the page you want to link to. (Usually it's easiest to have that page open in another tab or in another browser window and copy it - then paste it in the pop-up dialog.)LAST - Click okay.The HTML code for the link will be inserted in your post. To make the link more obvious, make sure the link text is still highlighted and then click on the "B" icon to make it bold text.
updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Greger N
@Greger N
04/24/08 12:33:26
5 posts

Dubai


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

My father is going to Dubai soon. I would like to know if someone here has any advice where you can buy good chocolate, tea or coffe in Dubai. The advice I got regarding where to buy good chocolate in Paris was wonderful. I realy like this forum because the tone is very polite and people are really helpful..
updated by @Greger N: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Alan McClure
@Alan McClure
04/24/08 08:56:36
73 posts

Caffeine and theobromine


Posted in: Opinion

It depends upon the genetics of the cacao. Some cacaos, such as some Criollo-type populations, have about an equivalent amount of caffeine to their theobromine levels. In fact, it even seems possible for there to be Criollo-type populations with slightly more caffeine than theobromine. Other cacao, such as hybrid and Forastero populations, have far more theobromine. I haven't seen results of any with 0 mg/g of caffeine, but there are some that come close. However, it isn't possible to make a blanket statement that all Forastero has almost 0mg/g of caffeine, because some Forastero populations have more. That is about as definitive an answer as I am aware of.Best,Alan
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/24/08 08:05:26
251 posts

Caffeine and theobromine


Posted in: Opinion

I've read that chocolate may not even have caffeine in it after all but only similar stimulants, one of which is theobromine. What do you think? Can anyone point to a definitive answer to this?A related question-- I've seen lists of how much caffeine is in dark chocolate. How do they measure that, and doesn't the amount of stimulant vary with the cacao percentage? Surely a 100% bar of 100g has more stimulant than a 55% bar of the same size.
updated by @ChocoFiles: 05/18/15 03:35:43
Sera
@Sera
05/04/08 21:36:14
39 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

To me, white chocolate is real chocolate. You can't deny that the cocoa butter is there!Granted, a lot of the common white chocolate on the market really isn't, using vegetable oils instead of cocoa butter like Cybele pointed out. It's such a shame too, since white chocolate, when done well, it so lovely!
Liliana Martínez
@Liliana Martínez
04/28/08 09:20:42
2 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Thanks Gwen and Clay for their Masters Class.Thinking about lobbying a decade for giving white chocolate the "chocolate" label, makes me think about the XVII discussion about chocolate's nature as a food or a beverage!Definitively, chocolate is a subject no one can dismiss.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
04/26/08 13:56:41
1,689 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Believe it or not, there is an FDA standard of identity for white chocolate . What this means is that there is a substance that can legally be called white chocolate in the US. Whether or not you agree with that is another matter entirely.Much chocolate consists of a blend of beans from different growing regions. As cocoa butter has the flavor of the beans it is made from, and cocoa butter is often added during conching, much cocoa butter is deodorized, that is, has its flavor removed so the flavor does not have to be calculated in the blend.Because white chocolate is really only cocoa butter, sugar, milk/cream, and vanilla, the reason most white chocolate has no chocolate flavor is that it's made from cocoa butter that has had all the flavor removed from it.El Rey Icoa is one of the few white chocolates in the world that is made from undeodorized cocoa butter. Thus it has a mild milk chocolate flavor. El Rey can do this because all of the beans it uses to make the chocolate come from a single growing region (Carenero in Venezuela). One of the reasons why Swiss white chocolate is thought of highly is the quality of the dairy ingredients. One reason why people like white chocolate (apart from the fact that it is sweet) is the texture - because there is no powder (what the industry calls non-fat cocoa solids) there is no grainy texture - only the texture of sweet fat.It took over a decade of lobbying by the Chocolate Manufacturer's Association to get the FDA to agree to a standard of identity for white chocolate.The exact chemical makeup of the butter varies, but for the most part the components that affect cholesterol metabolism and related functions are in the butter. Virtually all of the alkaloids (caffeine, theobromine, phenyethylamine, etc) are in the powder.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/24/08 07:58:35
251 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Thanks for the info Gwen.Another question- does cacao butter have any theobromine, caffeine, or other stimulants that dark chocolate has or are the stimulants only in the "cocoa mass" or "cocoa liqueur"? I ask because I wonder if it's safe for me to eat white chocolate at night since I'm very sensitive to caffeine and related stimulants.
cybele
@cybele
04/23/08 17:18:35
37 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

The way I look at white chocolate is that it has half of the essential ingredients to be chocolate ... that inimitable cacao fat.I think it always needs to be qualified as "white", but it certainly qualifes more than some sort of mockolate product that has the cocoa solids and not the cocoa butter (you know, that stuff that has partially hydrogenated palm kernel oil, sugar and cocoa in it that is made into super-cheap Eater rabbits).I like the Green & Black's White Chocolate, which has oodles of vanilla bean in there. It's not at all like the Icoa though, it's a deodorized cacao fat that takes the milk & vanilla notes readily.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/23/08 15:40:00
251 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

P.S.- I can't get the Add hyperlink thing to work. Can someone please give me instructions how to do it? I want to have it be a word that is really a hyperlink that takes you to the site without showing the URL.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
04/23/08 15:36:55
251 posts

White Chocolate- is it really chocolate?


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I took Casey's suggestion from her Chocolate Note blog ( http://chocolatenote.blogspot.com/2007/11/el-rey-icoa-white-chocolate.html ) and I'm currently tasting El Rey's Icoa White Chocolate, but I'm not really sure that it's chocolate since it's so different. I guess that the ingredients are pretty similar to milk chocolate (in order: sugar, cacao butter, whole and skim milk powder, soy lecithin, vanilla) but the only cacao product is "cacao butter". Is that enough to consider it to be chocolate? It's a nice little change of pace, kind of like reading a good detective novel as a break from classic literature, but is it really chocolate? It tastes more like candy to me. Is there any consensus out there? What do you think?
updated by @ChocoFiles: 04/10/15 03:52:26
Seby Singh
@Seby Singh
04/23/08 14:56:46
17 posts

Chocolate eating choices


Posted in: Opinion

How do you decide what chocolate to eat every day? Does it depend on your mood, interest or curiosity to try something new?Of the two pieces I like to eat every day, one of them is usually a filled one - I am partial to passion fruit and the other is a piece of dark chocolate.What about you?
updated by @Seby Singh: 04/15/15 21:21:18
Scott
@Scott
02/22/11 11:03:07
44 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

For what it's worth, in a recent visit to the Mast Brothers shop in Brooklyn, I was told by Rick Mast that all chocolate used for all of their products was produced in-house from bean to bar.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
02/21/11 18:42:29
251 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Mast Brothers bars were among the most enjoyable of the bars I reviewed in 2010. They're doing fine work!

Here are my personal enjoyment ratings (on a 0-10 scale):

Venezuela 9.4

Brooklyn Blend 9.4

Domican Republic 9.1

I consider any rating >9 to be in my "Top Favorites"

My ratings can be found at ChocoFiles .

Jeremiah Jeffrey
@Jeremiah Jeffrey
12/01/10 18:48:10
2 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I first seen them on cooking channels foodography. Seeing them gave me my final push to start making my own chocolate (which I have yet to do. Getting my ducks in a row for it.)
Scott
@Scott
11/09/10 19:28:10
44 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

As far as I know, Taza has always and only been bean-to-bar. That's not the case with Mast Brothers. This can be confusing for those customers who care about whether the chocolate they're buying was made in Brooklyn or merely molded there.
Gretchen Tartakoff
@Gretchen Tartakoff
11/07/10 04:07:05
7 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Mast Brothers aren't as completely as obscure as they sound because they welcome people into their 'factory' to reach their customers and fans. Taking the trip to see it is on my radar since I reached out to them to represent local bean to bar at the Bucks County Chocolate Show. It feels like they're paving a path similar to Taza.
Scott
@Scott
11/03/10 20:38:43
44 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Still curious if anyone has info about the proportion of Mast Brothers' bean-to-bar production relative to their re-melting.On a related note (i.e., to Mast Brothers' encroachment in some NYC restaurants), according to the NYT , Tcho is making an aggressive push to get into upscale restaurants, apparently succeeding with Del Posto.
Scott
@Scott
09/28/10 10:06:34
44 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Has anyone determined whether Mast Brothers has begun to sell only chocolate that they've made from bean-to-bar?If they're still remelting some, does anyone know (roughly) their proportion of bean-to-bar production to that using third-party couverture?
Duffy Sheardown
@Duffy Sheardown
09/27/10 16:03:21
55 posts

Mast Brothers Chocolate- bean to bar producer out of Brooklyn, NY


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Their bars are available in London at Paul A Young's shops. Very nice - try them if you can.
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